Right on Monte! So if we have so many variables in deer, I think we all agree on that, how can we expect to put every deer on a form, and never have to do any altering of the form, to make that individual deer look like when he was alive? I see no way to avoid form altering at some point to get all deer correct. There is just to big of differences between the individual deer. I really don't get off on making alterations on commercial work, as we all know time is money, but I feel I owe it to my clients to create a mount as accurate as it can be. If I gotta lengthen a head, I will. After all this reading, I'm gonna go through my personal tanned capes, find one of them "long necked devils" and I'm gonna lengthen the forms neck, and see how it mounts up. Hell , as long as I've been on here with this post, I could have altered the form, and mounted the deer. It would be drying right now as I type!