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Whitetail deer neck inscision

Discussion in 'Tutorials' started by Larson, Dec 6, 2006.

  1. Larson

    Larson New Member

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    I am working on my first shoulder mount white tail. The book I used for the caping procedure has me cutting the back of the neck from the base of the antlers all the way down to the end of the cape. Is this common practice? Dont most just do a "Y" cut around the anters and turn the caper over the head? What is the point of cutting all the way from the anlters to the shoulders as shown in the guide I am using? The bad part about it is I have extra sewiing to do because I followed the instructions before I figured it out. Or does this need to be done to fit the caper over the chest of the form?
     
  2. Nina Lukaszewicz

    Nina Lukaszewicz Outdoor Dreams Taxidermy

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    Re: White taile deer neck inscision

    Most people now just use the Y incision....it cuts down sewing time a lot, so that is all I use
     

  3. Mr.T

    Mr.T New Member

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    6 of one and a half dozen of the other, An open long cut is easy because you can set the antlers first and sew the cape around it, on the short Y cut, you place the antlers on last after the cape is on the form. Being new, sewing can take a long time on the long cut. You can turn the cape inside out, lay it on the table, sew it up and turn it into a short Y, before you put it on the form.
     
  4. Re: White taile deer neck inscision

    I have done it both ways. The short Y makes for less sewing but it can be a little more difficult to fit the hide over the form. I don't mind the extra sewing myself it only takes an extra 10-20 min. to go all the way down the back seam. I really don't have a preference either way works for me.
     
  5. Bobbi Meyer

    Bobbi Meyer I luv to ride my tricycle, I luv to ride my trike

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    I can follow your pictures until the last two then I'm kinda lost..what are you hooking the metal hook into? are the skewers just there to hold the hide out of the way? Then which direction do you peel the hide off? Sorry so many questions, but it looks like a real time saver and we all know time is money...more details please !!! Thanks
     
  6. Mr.T

    Mr.T New Member

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    I think what Mike is showing you, is how he removes the antlers so the customer can brag them around town, then hangs the head and skins it out the rest of the way after the antlers are off. But his main point I think, is he shows how little he has to sew up using this method.

    Thanks Mike, I think Santa needs to get me a Saw's all now.
     
  7. Matt

    Matt Active Member

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    Re: White taile deer neck inscision

    Short Y incisions make sewing easier and if you are working on a really short haired wt, it's the only way I would do them. If you stretch the cape alittle before fitting, you shouldn't have any problems getting it on the form to fit and prep.
     
  8. Bobbi Meyer

    Bobbi Meyer I luv to ride my tricycle, I luv to ride my trike

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    Less sewing for me would be great since I'm not too fast at it. I'm just confused about how he gets the skin off the remaining part of the head, thats all. I mean does he skin back as far as he can from the nose portion then cut the front of the face off then pull the skin over the remaining face part or does he cut the neck off flush with the base of the skull and pull the skin down over the neck portion???
     
  9. Cole

    Cole Amateur Taxidermist

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    Bobbi, once the antlers are removed he hangs the head from its spine upside down, then skins from the back of the neck forward. No antlers in the way so it comes right off.
     
  10. Jerry S.

    Jerry S. New Member

    Re: White taile deer neck inscision

    Sorry but I'm confused . . . I've used the short incision for years on whitetail but I completely skin the head out through the short incision and remove all hide before cutting the antlers off. The method shown seems to be a lot of extra work trying to keep the hide out of the saw cut - not to mention the brain stuff getting into the hair.

    ???

    Jerry S.
     
  11. whitebuffalo

    whitebuffalo Theres no graduation day in the outdoors

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    I like that V cut never thought of that.
     
  12. Mr.T

    Mr.T New Member

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    Jerry S, go back and read why Mike does it that way, the customer is standing there wanting his antlers to take home.
     
  13. Jerry S.

    Jerry S. New Member

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    Actually, Mike said that IF the customer is standing there, he didn't suggest using chisels. That indicates that he also does it this way if the customer isn't standing there.

    Nevertheless, it only takes a few minutes to skin the head out through a short incision so why not just skin it out and then cut the antlers off?? It would result in a lot less messy stuff on the cape.

    One day I had a slew of deer come into the shop and when I started skinning them out my wife timed me. The average skinning time per head, using the short incision, was less than 6 minutes each . . . and that was with no holes cut in the capes. Add a couple of minutes to pick up the sawzall and cut off the antlers and you are still under 10 minutes. If a customer is in a bigger hurry than that then he can go somewhere else!!
     
  14. Cole

    Cole Amateur Taxidermist

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    You have much less sewing w/ the v-cut. this is the advantage. To each his own, there are always advantages and disadvantages to every method.
     
  15. michael p.

    michael p. Getting better with age :)

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    Why thje hell would you cut the antlers off BEFORE ??? I've heard of bass akwards & this kind of reminds me of that ::)
     
  16. Paul K

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    I really like to set my eyes before I put a cape on the form, I know this method dosnt really do much for my clay work. A tail on the V (Y) about 3 1/2 " is about the minimum I can get away with , without struggling to get past the head block and not wreck my eye set. Maybe I'm missing something.
     
  17. Scott H.

    Scott H. New Member

    Re: White taile deer neck inscision

    Mike Bunker,
    Thanks for sharing the photos and the idea of the using a reciprocating saw. I've been doing the " V " cut for about twelve
    years with a chisel. I'll give the saw a try on the next deer and see how I like it.

    Paul K. ,

    There are a few different ways to doing the clay work when using a " v " cut. After you slide your hide on the deer, you can
    rotate the hide to one side and clay one eye then rotate the hide back and do the other eye. If you prefer claying in
    your eyes before slidding the hide on, you can make a pair of eye covers out of aluminum and pin them in place over the
    clay work until the hide is on. Then just remove them from the opening on top of the head. The friend that showed me
    the " v " cut, glues his eyes in the sockets of the form , slides the hide on, and then puts his clay through the eye holes
    in the cape. This requires a little practice, but once you get use to it, it works really well.......This may sound like a lot of
    hassle, but it's not. I like the " v " cut because it only takes me 10 to 15 minutes max to cape out a deer and I'm not very fast
    nor do I like sewing. The bottom line with anything in taxidermy is do what works best for you.
     
  18. michael p.

    michael p. Getting better with age :)

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    I still don't understand why you cut the horns off before you finish skinning it ::) ::)

    Take my advice and get a "Millwauke" if you buy a reciprocating saw, they are worth the money, you won't regret it! ;)
     
  19. Scott H.

    Scott H. New Member

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    I start by skinning out the mouth all the way up to the eyes. Next, off comes the antlers, then I pull the cape over the head.

    When skinning a doe, I do them seamless.
     
  20. Re: White taile deer neck inscision

    Larson,alot of the veteran stuffers on here cut em all the way down.They say you can thin the cape better.A guy told me today that Jean Roll out of Michigan mounted a lifesize deer for the Smithsonian with a 16" belly cut.Some people just hate sewing I guess.